Where do you draw the line


It seems like every time you pick up the newspaper or turn on the television, an athlete finds himself in trouble.

You guys have certainly seen it at Mississippi State and Ole Miss, and in the last couple of weeks you read about troubles at Penn State, Alabama, LSU, Kentucky and South Carolina. In fact, just insert any school and you’ll read about wayward athletes.

Yet, nine times out of 10, they find themselves back not only on their respective campuses, but on the team as well.

Are we seeing more and more bad decisions by student-athletes because coaches are happy to issue second chances and those same athletes just aren’t as worried about losing scholarships as they used to be? Are these bad decisions due to the NCAA limiting the time coaches can be around the players? Do the salaries coaches now make and the pressure to win lead to more tolerance on their part?

These are some issues that aren’t going away over night. To be honest, I think it’s time the coaches get a more firm hold on the grip.

Again, when is enough enough? Unfortunately, I’m not sure there really is a definitive answer to that question.


16 Responses to “Where do you draw the line”

  1. farley662 Says:


    Right there.

  2. thingreenline Says:

    Once somebody gets paid 1.7m or more to win football games, you might start to make exceptions. I can’t say I blame them. As long as the rules aren’t broken, I couldn’t care less.

  3. db33 Says:

    On this topic, Gregg what’s the scoop on hoops player Phil Turner? Didn’t I heard he’d been recently arrested on something like disorderly conduct?

  4. jwbreb Says:

    Where was ever the line drawn? I go back to the Lance Alworth thing at Ole Miss, The Randy Moss thing at FSU and many more instances thats going on in college sports. Whats missing from the establishments is INTEGRITY,MORALITY, ETHICS. I hope that my spelling is correct, some have said that my spelling ???

  5. bulldog38 Says:

    Joe Paterno we are very happy the way your program is being run these days. You have made us proud.

    Barry and Jackie

  6. Gregg Ellis Says:

    Turner got a misdemeanor charge.

  7. imabulldog Says:

    I would give kids 2 strikes.

    We all do stupid things in college. whether we admit it or not. When you are an athlete, I know your life is magnified, and so comes the responsibility, but still, we all screw up.

    So, one strike=FEAR OF GOD

    Second strike=see ya’

  8. imabulldog Says:

    Guys I worked with the team for Sherril’s last year thru Croom’s 2nd year, and you would not have believed the house cleaning he did. I went from being sick to my stomach-in relation to what I knew behind the scenes, to the happiest fan I could be, even though we were 3-9, I knew that Croom was cleaning our program up.

  9. themaroonandwhite Says:

    if a person like croom cant stop it no one can. it’s because they can’t control the variables like they used to. the biggest problem is there arent dorms just for the athletes.

  10. mmsdawg Says:

    I agree with IMA….everyone can make one mistake. That being said, sometimes the “one” mistake can still be so severe that you would only get one strike.

    Guess I think it just depends on what they did!!

  11. dawgface52 Says:

    I agree with mmsdawg. A ‘huge’ mistake results in no second chance. But I’m ok with giving a kid a second chance in general.

  12. tebmsu97 Says:

    Problem is every case is different. Let’s use a fictional case, star player A and star player B both go out and party it up Friday night. Both players are later pulled over and given DWIs. SP A thugs it up, causes a big scene, trys to play the “I’m a stud player card”, blah blah blah. SP B on the other hand realizes he made a major mistake, cooperates completely, blah blah blah.

    All you will see in the paper is that SP A and SP B were given DWIs and Football Coach handled it this way. What you don’t see is the behind the scenes things that could differentiate between a kid who made a mistake and is ready learn from it and move on and a thug who is simply going to go out and do it again. That is the hardest part for the coach, is sitting down and being able to decide whether it is case A, or B, or somewhere inbetween.

    Add to that mix, the pressure the coach is under to win as well as their attachment to some of these players. I think Coach Croom truly feels like a father figure to these guys, there are probably many coaches out there who feel the same, and wants to see them get a second chance, wants them to better themselves, and will fight for them to see that they do. I am not blind to the fact that players are treated according to a different set of rules, but I do believe that there are other motives than winning at work here.

    Why do I think you see this behavior more now than before, again several factors. First, I think the access to information has changed to the point a kid can’t sneeze without it being plastered on a message board somewhere within minutes of it happening. Then you have the star treatment factor, we have placed athletes on a pedastal and it gives some of these kids a major hero complex. Teenagers/20somethings already feel bulletproof enough and now a kid has thousands of people flocking after them like a messiah, it is going to be hard to keep a level head. Last, you throw in the general meltdown of the value system and you have a recipe for disaster. A lot of these kids come from poor areas, single parent families where your “street credit” is more important than any school credit.

  13. tebmsu97 Says:

    Got so carried away with my soapbox rant about the degradation of society and so on that I didn’t answer the major question. I like the 2 and done rule, with a severe crime your one and done and the ultra rare you where in the wrong place at the wrong time you get a 3rd chance exceptions.

  14. jbuzz74 Says:

    I believe the problem lies within the lack of clearly defined team discipline and rules. If the schools had a list of violations and the results of committing them for all athletes to read that clearly defined the results for their actions it might be helpful. I believe that the violations could be broken down into three categories. Category 1 would be small violations that could be handled internally such as dealing with athletes who miss class or are late to meeting and practices. Category 2 would be trouble with the school or local authorities that result in misdemeanor charges, and in this level two strikes your out. Category 3 would be anything above the other two and result in immediate dismissal.

  15. imabulldog Says:

    jbuzz, I’ll tell you from experience- State players know their boundaries, now FSU and other schools probably don’t

  16. Gregg Ellis Says:

    I’d say most at other schools know their boundaries. Either they don’t care or the coaches don’t enforce the boundaries.

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