Mullen Poll: How Long?

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Ran across a story by ESPN.com’s Ivan Maisel about new MSU football coach Dan Mullen (thanks to the Six Pack for the heads up). Maisel’s focus was on how many years the modern coach has to prove himself. Maisel contends that even at State, the expectation is for a quick turnaround. “Moving quickly and talking quickly had best lead to winning quickly,” he wrote.

So I put it to you, the Bulldog fans: How long should Mullen be given a chance to prove he can win at MSU? Not how quickly you think he will do it, but what do you think is an acceptable number? Go on and vote, and add your comments.

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34 Responses to “Mullen Poll: How Long?”

  1. markillas44 Says:

    how many did croom get? if mullen does 50% better than croom he’ll get all the time he needs. the bulldogs will be competitive in 1-2 years if the players buy in to mullen’s system. the guy knows what it takes to succeed.

  2. imabulldog Says:

    I really don’t think it matters, #1 he is not Croom, and #2 he will take us to a bowl game next yr. (PERIOD)

    So any Rebs, or any State fans that want to label me a Homer, you can just stay at home next bowl season.

    Now, I say all that with the full intention of just getting into a bowl, the bowl and season record I’m not predicting. But simple math says +(6-6)

  3. imabulldog Says:

    He’s gonna win, and i think in 3 or 4 yrs we’ll be competing for the West…So i think the real question is ‘define’ winning? Because I think it’ll come down to do you just want to win 7-8 games a yr or 9-10 a yr. Because I see 7 as obtainable next yr

  4. maroon1white Says:

    I voted 3 years. The state of the program today is much better than when Croom took over.

    I would be more inclined to know what State fans qualify a “turnaround”.

    7-8 wins?
    9 or more wins?

  5. BirdZ! Says:

    “Mullen Poll: How Long?”

    You could ask his wife, but I don’t think she would tell you.

  6. olemsufan Says:

    5.. same as Croom.

  7. jcdawgman18 Says:

    Hey oh! BirdZ!, that was funny.

  8. carwwest Says:

    egh, i say 3 but when i say 3 i mean 3 years of steady improvement on the field and the 4th year better be a good one….now i dont mean we can only have a good year every 4th year but what i am saying is next year, we have a tough schedule…if we win 6 games, that just bumps up our expectations faster….if we win 4 or 5 then i want at least six the next years….

    i want PROGRESSION… we never had that under croom…we had senior players that werent much better if at all than when they came in….i firmly believe that if a coach coaches the players up individually and as a team then the wins will come….

    now, what happens if his system just doesnt work next year with our current players (i think it will be ok)??…well thats why i say give 2 more years to show improvements…and by the 4th year, we should be a talented, well-coached team with the chance of post season pretty much every year….

  9. boonhoggenbeck Says:

    He needs to show steady improvement. He needs to show that he can recruit and that his coaching staff can coach….that’s all. If he can do that, then the length of time he has will take care of itself. At this point, after Croom having been given five years with absolutely no progress being made during that time, it’s futile to try and put a number of years on it.

  10. deaddawg1 Says:

    Beating OM is a winning season! I expect a 6-6 season next year and improving thereafter to competitive for the west title by year 4.

  11. maroonseedymon Says:

    I agree with IMABulldog…i.e., define winning…7-5 possible next yr, then steady improvement…after 4 years we can be competing for the west…

  12. imabulldog Says:

    Fo Sho’

  13. benzadawgfan Says:

    I would say the first year should not hurt him. If we were 3-9 next year, chalk that up to learning a new system & only having 1 recruiting class. (I feel like he’ll do better.) Steady improvement from there putting us in position for a good bowl & fighting for the west by year 4. Records are important, but I would also look at : Did we beat the teams we were supposed to? Were we blown out by teams we should be competitive with? Are we scoring?

  14. imabulldog Says:

    Tell you guys what I’m tired of…

    I’m tired of going to see us play UAB and Midd Tenn State, and wondering if we were gonna win!?!

    I’m ready to start beating the crap outta those teams, so when they lose and leave-we are able to say “Welcome to the SEC” and not only that but those teams will know they just got whooped.

    Thats what Im ready for

  15. JB Says:

    I really don’t think that we have that much time left that it would take Mr. Mullen to be a winner at Miss A&M. We are living in the last days and time is running out.

  16. boonhoggenbeck Says:

    On second thought, maybe a more pertinent question would be: Provided Coach Mullen wins at State in a reasonable time period, how long will he stay?

  17. irondawg Says:

    What’s wrong with you people who voted for 3 years, and especially 4 years? Are you kidding me? Mullen isn’t inheriting a terrible situation. 3 years is an extreme maximum for me, but 2 should be appropriate. I just don’t think MSU fans seem to understand how much losing we’ve seen in the last 8 years.

    As for how long Mullen stays if he wins, who cares? Hopefully he stays, but I’d be happier losing a coach while we’re winning than the alternative. If the system is proven to work, promote someone on his staff.

  18. dawgface52 Says:

    If Mullen has us competing for the West in 3 years, we might be talking about how much should we pay Hudspeth as HC. Hopefully that will be our problem because of our success. 🙂

    Knowing our luck…..Meyer will win another NC or two and then decide to give the pro’s a try, and Mullen heads back to Fla.

  19. benzadawgfan Says:

    Iron, I’m not saying I would be ok with losing seasons until year 4, but that we should be competing for the west in year 4. That will take 9 or 10 wins minimum. It is not a terrible situation, but our o-line struggled last year and everybody will be learning a new system. That said, 3-9, 6-6, 7-5, 9-3 for his first four years would be ok with me. ( I still think 5 or 6 wins next year is likely)

  20. skydawg706 Says:

    I feel if he can get the caliber of players he needs for his game plan….is the key of how fast he turns MSU around. Big winning seaon plus a bowl first year would be awesome but think it will take at least two if he gets the right players he needs.

  21. imabulldog Says:

    Btw, our girls are playing UT tuff

  22. imabulldog Says:

    I say 7-6, 7-7, 8-5, 9-4 during first 4 years

  23. imabulldog Says:

    sorry didnt mean 7-7, meant 7-6

  24. 2thdoc Says:

    In basketball “action” today, Andy Kennedy’s wife is blaming and sueing the cab driver for ruining their sex life. Strange, but true…

    http://www.wlwt.com/news/18491304/detail.html

  25. benzadawgfan Says:

    That is sweet. Wonder how long it’ll be till Kennedy’s lawyer is filing suit on behalf of the peeping tom who got his jollies watching them.

  26. benzadawgfan Says:

    Then the guy who owns the store where Kennedy buys his condoms. Gotta love a lawyer.

  27. themaroonandwhite Says:

    Gotta be allowed to make the whole team yours. FOUR years.

  28. tebmsu97 Says:

    I voted as a 4, but would say the writing will be on the wall so to speak at the end of 3.

    Year 1 – Show me you can manage a game and get a team to progress from game 1 to 12. I am not all that worried about your record, unless it is 0’fer or something like that.
    Year 2 – Improve the overall talent through recruiting, win the games you are “supposed” to win.
    Year 3 – You should be competetive in all your games and win one you weren’t “supposed” to win. Again recruiting needs to steadily improve. A bowl game, no matter how insignificant it is, you need to be in a bowl by year three.
    Year 4 – You should be making some noise in the conference. Not saying you need to win it obviously, but you need to be a threat.

    My outline for a successful coach.

  29. imabulldog Says:

    good post, good points Teb

  30. imabulldog Says:

    Hey guys, CBS Sportsline is mentioning layers who are impressing scouts- guess who is on the list- Fitz! check it out

  31. omahadog Says:

    Winning is qualified as being Western Division Champions or in contention for the SEC championship. I voted 3 years, thinking that was a realistic amount of time for us to contend every year. Being 7-5 overall, but 3-5 in the SEC is not winning, in my book.

  32. darkcooger Says:

    I said 5 years, because I’ll be content so long as we’re progressing forward. I agree with ima that defining “winning” is important, so let me justify 5 years. I expect steady progression towards “winning” until, by the 5th year, we ARE winning, meaning we are in the heat of the battle for the West and we’ve reached a state where we will be an annual threat for the division title. I’d also like to see us be a regular top-20 team, and I don’t think 5 years is an unreasonable amount of time to see that.

  33. nova3930 Says:

    I think we should be doing well within a few years. Given that but for a lack of even a mediocre offense we would have won several more games this year.

    Right now I can pick out 6 games on next years schedule that I think we should win. In my mind, with some decent coaching and recruiting, it should be a trip up from there…

  34. warbirdz44 Says:

    I expect us to be competing for the West in 3-4 years.

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